Comments on: Patch 3.3 for Holy Paladins http://www.zabery.com/blog/2009/12/08/patch-33-for-holy-paladins/ A WoW PvE Paladin Blog Sun, 01 Aug 2010 07:16:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Love is in the Paladins « The Bossy Pally and the Giant Spoon http://www.zabery.com/blog/2009/12/08/patch-33-for-holy-paladins/comment-page-1/#comment-2491 Love is in the Paladins « The Bossy Pally and the Giant Spoon Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:03:50 +0000 http://www.zabery.com/blog/?p=1068#comment-2491 [...] If you’re a paladin looking to talk holy, then you might want to strike up a conversation with Zabery. She (I think!) doesn’t post often, but when she does brings up topics the rest of us don’t really stop to think about, such as appreciating Seal of Wisdom beyond the glyph bonus or the in-depth implications of the 3.3 Paladin changes. [...] [...] If you’re a paladin looking to talk holy, then you might want to strike up a conversation with Zabery. She (I think!) doesn’t post often, but when she does brings up topics the rest of us don’t really stop to think about, such as appreciating Seal of Wisdom beyond the glyph bonus or the in-depth implications of the 3.3 Paladin changes. [...]

]]> By: Should Holy Paladins use the Ember Skyflare Diamond? « Zabery http://www.zabery.com/blog/2009/12/08/patch-33-for-holy-paladins/comment-page-1/#comment-2221 Should Holy Paladins use the Ember Skyflare Diamond? « Zabery Mon, 25 Jan 2010 02:47:26 +0000 http://www.zabery.com/blog/?p=1068#comment-2221 [...] Vivalabambam posted a comment in the 3.3 gear post which asked when it might make sense to consider using the [Ember Skyflare Diamond] instead of the [Insightful Earthsiege Diamond]. [...] [...] Vivalabambam posted a comment in the 3.3 gear post which asked when it might make sense to consider using the [Ember Skyflare Diamond] instead of the [Insightful Earthsiege Diamond]. [...]

]]> By: Vivalabambam http://www.zabery.com/blog/2009/12/08/patch-33-for-holy-paladins/comment-page-1/#comment-2047 Vivalabambam Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:07:39 +0000 http://www.zabery.com/blog/?p=1068#comment-2047 You are right, the cost of putting two red gems in is quite a lot in past gear, but sticking 2 orange gems that are SP and Int means you are only losing one full intel gem and gaining 1 full red sp gem. The cost of one intel gem to take advantage of the rest of our intel and get an extra 2 percent may be worth it at this point. You would be losing 41 intel between the meta and the 2 oranges not being yellows, but with my 1791 intel alone, I would be getting almost 36 intel back from the 2%. Granted that means less overall, but that does not include raid buffs. The real question is not whether it is worth it, but at what point? If I were sitting on 10k of intel, I would be stupid not to take 2% on top of it, but I am not that leet, maybe at lvl 85 in some ridiculious gear that will be out then. My real thoughts are, where is the break even point? Should we wait longer or get one once we are in 245 and ICC gear? How much intel makes going for the extra 2% worth it instead of the mana proc and 21 intel off the old stand by meta? You are right, the cost of putting two red gems in is quite a lot in past gear, but sticking 2 orange gems that are SP and Int means you are only losing one full intel gem and gaining 1 full red sp gem. The cost of one intel gem to take advantage of the rest of our intel and get an extra 2 percent may be worth it at this point. You would be losing 41 intel between the meta and the 2 oranges not being yellows, but with my 1791 intel alone, I would be getting almost 36 intel back from the 2%. Granted that means less overall, but that does not include raid buffs.

The real question is not whether it is worth it, but at what point? If I were sitting on 10k of intel, I would be stupid not to take 2% on top of it, but I am not that leet, maybe at lvl 85 in some ridiculious gear that will be out then.

My real thoughts are, where is the break even point? Should we wait longer or get one once we are in 245 and ICC gear? How much intel makes going for the extra 2% worth it instead of the mana proc and 21 intel off the old stand by meta?

]]> By: Zabery http://www.zabery.com/blog/2009/12/08/patch-33-for-holy-paladins/comment-page-1/#comment-1950 Zabery Mon, 04 Jan 2010 05:55:04 +0000 http://www.zabery.com/blog/?p=1068#comment-1950 <blockquote>Wouldn’t it be prudent to start thinking about the value of the gems that scale with gear?</blockquote> I think it would! It's clever to observe that the additional heroic tiers weren't around when they designed the metas. When I've done the math in the past it's seemed to me that the cost of falling back to two red gems to activate the ember meta was quite a lot when compared to 2% of our Int. If you already had red gems to activate some spell power socket bonuses, yeah, the ember might be compelling. But the question is why you have those red gems to begin with. If you drop them for brilliant gems you lose a small percentage of spell power (presumably), and gain a larger percentage of Int. So yeah, maybe it'd be fun to really demonstrate this in a post :).

Wouldn’t it be prudent to start thinking about the value of the gems that scale with gear?

I think it would! It’s clever to observe that the additional heroic tiers weren’t around when they designed the metas.

When I’ve done the math in the past it’s seemed to me that the cost of falling back to two red gems to activate the ember meta was quite a lot when compared to 2% of our Int.

If you already had red gems to activate some spell power socket bonuses, yeah, the ember might be compelling. But the question is why you have those red gems to begin with. If you drop them for brilliant gems you lose a small percentage of spell power (presumably), and gain a larger percentage of Int.

So yeah, maybe it’d be fun to really demonstrate this in a post :).

]]> By: Vivalabambam http://www.zabery.com/blog/2009/12/08/patch-33-for-holy-paladins/comment-page-1/#comment-1936 Vivalabambam Sun, 03 Jan 2010 07:34:53 +0000 http://www.zabery.com/blog/?p=1068#comment-1936 So i know this post is a bit early for gear from 3.3, but I have been reevaluating my meta slot when coupled with the 264 gear and intellect. Since Holy Pallies are getting to a point of having 38k+ mana raid buffed, and a ton of intellect, wouldn't it be prudent to start thining about the value of the gems that scale with gear? For instance there are 2 meta gems that have percentages (2%) to mana and intellect. I tried the 2% mana for a bit and that also has crit value instead of intellect, but the 25 Sp and 2% mana at this point actually out wieghs the 21 intellect and mana restore now imo because I am getting more intellect overall and more crit value, which in turn provides more mana back on the crits. I ran some tests and will be post WoLog posts to show differences on mana back, but it looks like at this point I am getting about 30-50 mana back per minute over the old insightful earthsiege (not much, I know). Also, my mana pool is also about 300 mana larger at this point. Seems to me having our meta scale with our gear is more valuable now then constants that we used in Naxx. These differences should grow as we go from 245-258 gear to the 264 and higher. Your thoughts on this? So i know this post is a bit early for gear from 3.3, but I have been reevaluating my meta slot when coupled with the 264 gear and intellect. Since Holy Pallies are getting to a point of having 38k+ mana raid buffed, and a ton of intellect, wouldn’t it be prudent to start thining about the value of the gems that scale with gear? For instance there are 2 meta gems that have percentages (2%) to mana and intellect. I tried the 2% mana for a bit and that also has crit value instead of intellect, but the 25 Sp and 2% mana at this point actually out wieghs the 21 intellect and mana restore now imo because I am getting more intellect overall and more crit value, which in turn provides more mana back on the crits. I ran some tests and will be post WoLog posts to show differences on mana back, but it looks like at this point I am getting about 30-50 mana back per minute over the old insightful earthsiege (not much, I know). Also, my mana pool is also about 300 mana larger at this point. Seems to me having our meta scale with our gear is more valuable now then constants that we used in Naxx. These differences should grow as we go from 245-258 gear to the 264 and higher. Your thoughts on this?

]]> By: Torqs http://www.zabery.com/blog/2009/12/08/patch-33-for-holy-paladins/comment-page-1/#comment-1867 Torqs Tue, 29 Dec 2009 01:34:23 +0000 http://www.zabery.com/blog/?p=1068#comment-1867 nice, so you are saying with the Divine Intervention change Celli will no longer yell at me when I use it in a raid if i decide to come back??? hmmm.... incentive! nice, so you are saying with the Divine Intervention change Celli will no longer yell at me when I use it in a raid if i decide to come back??? hmmm…. incentive!

]]> By: Zabery http://www.zabery.com/blog/2009/12/08/patch-33-for-holy-paladins/comment-page-1/#comment-1730 Zabery Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:32:11 +0000 http://www.zabery.com/blog/?p=1068#comment-1730 <blockquote>We still can only put our HoT on someone with Sacred Shield.</blockquote> Yeah, I was pretty disappointed to find that out in those five minutes after the servers came back up. I'll edit the post..

We still can only put our HoT on someone with Sacred Shield.

Yeah, I was pretty disappointed to find that out in those five minutes after the servers came back up. I’ll edit the post..

]]> By: Celton http://www.zabery.com/blog/2009/12/08/patch-33-for-holy-paladins/comment-page-1/#comment-1697 Celton Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:07:56 +0000 http://www.zabery.com/blog/?p=1068#comment-1697 The patch notes are incorrect. We still can only put our HoT on someone with Sacred Shield. Only now a paladin can only do it if they have the Infusion of Light talent. So, this is just a nerf to prot and ret and no change to Holy. The patch notes are incorrect. We still can only put our HoT on someone with Sacred Shield. Only now a paladin can only do it if they have the Infusion of Light talent. So, this is just a nerf to prot and ret and no change to Holy.

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